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Base saiyans> Piccolo? (Buu arc) wrong
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Vertical	Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Post #16
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. EDIT: RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 10:31 AM Piccolo made a good fight against them. Show me. RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 10:31 AM And Piccolo barely noticed the difference between SSJ2 majin Vegeta and SSJ2 kid Gohan. So SSJ Majin Vegeta = SSJ Goku(buu)>= MSSJ Gohan (CG). Base Saiyans in Buu saga are maybe around semi Perfect Cell, but not higher then that. Only base Saiyans that can crush Piccolo are the fusions or Gohan (Post Z sword). Your leaps in reasoning continue to astound. Edited by Vertical, Jun 3 2014, 10:35 AM.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 3 2014, 10:36 AM Post #17
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. That's the most accurate and logical way of doing it though. Otherwise, it becomes too vague. Edited by Emmeth, Jun 3 2014, 10:37 AM.
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Vertical	Jun 3 2014, 10:41 AM Post #18
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:36 AM Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. That's the most accurate and logical way of doing it though. Otherwise, it becomes too vague. I disagree completely... but I'd rather not get into that discussion at the moment.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 3 2014, 10:50 AM Post #19
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:41 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:36 AM Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. That's the most accurate and logical way of doing it though. Otherwise, it becomes too vague. I disagree completely... but I'd rather not get into that discussion at the moment. Linearity is the best way of measuring power, it's a proven fact. Edited by Emmeth, Jun 3 2014, 12:10 PM.
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Vertical	Jun 3 2014, 11:05 AM Post #20
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:50 AM Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:41 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:36 AM Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. That's the most accurate and logical way of doing it though. Otherwise, it becomes too vague. I disagree completely... but I'd rather not get into that discussion at the moment. Linearity is the best way of measuring power, it's a proven fact. Not so much a fact as a general consensus. A ratio shift is not only possible, it's implied. To apply it "accurately" is only limited by our own abilities.
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RealSociedad	Jun 3 2014, 11:10 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Vertical Jun 3 2014, 10:33 AM Emmeth Jun 3 2014, 10:28 AM Base Saiyans passing Piccolo must have happened during the Cell arc and not the 7 year gap for it to make sense. Given the powerscaling we are shown, depending on how big you think it is, it's possible but not likely. This is only true for SSJ systems where all transformations are dependent on Base strength. Tier or additions systems avoid this by making transformations independent of Base. EDIT: RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 10:31 AM Piccolo made a good fight against them. Show me. RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 10:31 AM And Piccolo barely noticed the difference between SSJ2 majin Vegeta and SSJ2 kid Gohan. So SSJ Majin Vegeta = SSJ Goku(buu)>= MSSJ Gohan (CG). Base Saiyans in Buu saga are maybe around semi Perfect Cell, but not higher then that. Only base Saiyans that can crush Piccolo are the fusions or Gohan (Post Z sword). Your leaps in reasoning continue to astound. Like I said they are at BEST around semi perfect Cell. Goku and Vegeta where a bit stronger then CG Gohan, so I have at best the base saiyans around semi Perfect Cell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6rQKg0jdyc I know its anime, but the Cell games saga where not made by toei. And btw, if you can only critising others, why dont you show me and others some proof that you think that I am wrong and that Piccolo is weaker then the base saiyans then? You have not given one single argument that the saiyans are stronger then Piccolo. The only thing you do the whole time is bashing my posts. If you dont know to give some normal arguments then you better say nothing.



+ Clearin	Jun 3 2014, 11:21 AM Post #22
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Quote: Everyone that knows Piccolo knows he never give up even if he doesnt stand a chance. Heck he even fought 50% Frieza and SPC even when he was nothing compared to them. He fought Freeza (not Cell) because he absolutely had to. He never gives up when the universe is at stake. You can hardly compare a casual tournament fight to a fight where the universe is in danger...



Vertical	Jun 3 2014, 11:25 AM Post #23
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 11:10 AM Like I said they are at BEST around semi perfect Cell. Goku and Vegeta where a bit stronger then CG Gohan, so I have at best the base saiyans around semi Perfect Cell. That's your mathematical reasoning but not supporting evidence. This level of conclusion is the same as someone saying that SSJ Goku in the Buu Saga has a maximum of 40,000 Kiri simply because his base is roughly 800 Kiri... or that for [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks to surpass [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks, Goten and Trunks must become 50x stronger in roughly 2 weeks. These things are far from fact. RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 11:10 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6rQKg0jdyc I know its anime, but the Cell games saga where not made by toei. You're simply wrong here. Nothing else to say. RealSociedad Jun 3 2014, 11:10 AM And btw, if you can only critising others, why dont you show me and others some proof that you think that I am wrong and that Piccolo is weaker then the base saiyans then? You have not given one single argument that the saiyans are stronger then Piccolo. The only thing you do the whole time is bashing my posts. If you dont know to give some normal arguments then you better say nothing. You're trying to convince us to believe something you believe... it's not my job to convince you of what I believe, it's my job to look for holes in your argument. If you believe I'm "bashing" your posts, perhaps you should make your argument so compelling that I cannot deny them.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 3 2014, 03:47 PM Post #24
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Well, I have Kaioshin stronger than Piccolo and the Base Saiyans stronger than Kaioshin so I end up with a chain of Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo.
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+ Pointer	Jun 3 2014, 03:52 PM Post #25
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Personally I think Piccolo only gave up because he realised that he was facing against a supreme god It does not imply let alone prove that piccolo is weaker than Kaioshin



+ Kaboom	Jun 3 2014, 04:17 PM Post #26
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I continue to be content with the "Kaioshin is strong, but an overly cautious wuss and kind of useless" approach. Power Level: Base Saiyans <<< Piccolo < Kaioshin < Super Saiyans General Usefulness: Kaioshin <<<<<<<<< Base Saiyans < Piccolo < Super Saiyans



DurararaFTW	Jun 3 2014, 04:39 PM Post #27
Posts: 69 Group: Member Member #11,358 Joined: May 16, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Death Note What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Naruto	Even fused with Kibito (who was suppose to give Gohan a decent fight in base) with potaro earrings he was still completely useless. Given how huge a boost fusion gives, I can't imagine he started out stronger then Piccolo. Stronger then the base Saiyans maybe.



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 3 2014, 04:50 PM Post #28
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	DurararaFTW Jun 3 2014, 04:39 PM Even fused with Kibito (who was suppose to give Gohan a decent fight in base) with potaro earrings he was still completely useless. Given how huge a boost fusion gives, I can't imagine he started out stronger then Piccolo. Stronger then the base Saiyans maybe. He was only told to be useless against Bootenks by Elder Kai, then Elder Kai goes on to say how Goku and Gohan going at Bootenks together would still mean getting wrecked,
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DurararaFTW	Jun 3 2014, 07:37 PM Post #29
Posts: 69 Group: Member Member #11,358 Joined: May 16, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Death Note What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Naruto	TConnor_Demonic Jun 3 2014, 04:50 PM DurararaFTW Jun 3 2014, 04:39 PM Even fused with Kibito (who was suppose to give Gohan a decent fight in base) with potaro earrings he was still completely useless. Given how huge a boost fusion gives, I can't imagine he started out stronger then Piccolo. Stronger then the base Saiyans maybe. He was only told to be useless against Bootenks by Elder Kai, then Elder Kai goes on to say how Goku and Gohan going at Bootenks together would still mean getting wrecked, He was useless against Kid Buu too. After Vegeta, Good Buu and Hercule had all jumped in for goodness sake.



sekzee	Jun 3 2014, 07:58 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #11,101 Joined: March 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Firefaux Favourite Manga Nein	Didn't Elder Kaioshin tell him he should stay because a) he was weaker than Super Buu, and b) he might get absorbed?



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